Posts by days of future passed

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

days of future passed

I also got sick with the "flu" with fever, fatigue and heavy coughing in january/feb. There is person who is Chinese working in my shop who was out for almost 2 weeks before I got sick. Makes me wonder too. I've never had that combo before. I stayed home for an extra 3 days after I started feeling better.

The thing is, after I started getting better I never relapsed like they talk about for the virus. I did stay tired for like a week after with low energy which I've never experienced before either.

No one else got sick at where I work.

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

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this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

days of future passed

I'm surprised they don't hold the religionists responsible for inciting a gathering. I guess since it isn't an enforced lock down, the people listening to their religious leaders are fools and responsible if they get infected?

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So do you think the Russian brothers are saying "WTF" right now?

by nowwhat? in

they were told to risk imprisonment to keep meeting and preaching because "we must obey god rather than men".

while here in the u s. we voluntarily cancel meetings and preaching because "we need to be in subjection to the superior authorities".

thoughts?.

days of future passed

That's a good point. Both involve the well being of the followers. Those in Malawi couldn't buy the few cents worth card because it would comprise their faith. so they suffered terribly and some died. Now Russians have the same privilege.

I guess those under threat of the virus (which I am not making fun of) can still write letters or make phone calls for their service. Makes it ok for the GB to obey the Governments in this case. Makes them look wise and compassionate. Wonder if they would have let them stay home if they didn't have their own channel to "educate" the regulars.

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War question

by tmkm130 in

hi, my father is a jehovah's witness.

my sister wanted to do something nice for him and decided to have a shirt made with the ship he was on when he was in the navy many years ago.

he was not in the war, but he said that he can't wear it because jehovah's witnesses don't believe in war.

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Yes as Jehovah's witnesses they wouldn't want to have emblems or beliefs that don't go along with their religion.

In the past, they actually did go to "war" and in the bible, there is nothing that specifically prohibits it. I'll just paste part of an article that I got at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/war.php - this is just so you know. Most JW's will not care if older articles contradict what is being taught now. They also wouldn't want any emblems of their countries flags since it would represent them worshiping a man made government instead of God's kingdom.

Watchtower justifies Old Testament Jewish war as necessary to cleanse the promised land of infidels. In the same manner, Christian Churches express their engagement in warfare as a role ordained by God. The very existence of Jehovah's Witnesses is a result of the global expansion of Christianity at the end of the sword.

The Bible never specifically forbids Christian engagement in warfare, and since this was such a significant aspect to Bible history, if continued engagement in war had become an unacceptable practice to the writers of the Christian Scriptures they would have stated so. In fact, several New Testament passages indicate acceptance of war.

When military officers came to John for baptism, John did not direct them to leave the service.

Luke 3:14 "Also, those in military service would ask him: "What shall we also do?" And he said to them: "Do not harass anybody or accuse anybody falsely, but be satisfied with YOUR provisions."

At Matthew 8:5-13 Jesus did not turn the soldier away when asking to heal his manservant, rather commending him saying "I have not found anyone In Israel with such great faith" In the account at Acts 10 Cornelius was not required to step down as commander of Roman soldiers before being baptised.

Paul shows that governments have a right to use the sword to prevent bad, and that we should be in subjection to what they demand of us. This would include going to war when called for.

Romans 13:1-4 "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves. For those ruling are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you, then, want to have no fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; for it is God's minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear: for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword; for it is God's minister, an avenger to express wrath upon the one practicing what is bad."

Russell recognised this scripture required early Witnesses to engage in civilian service and even attend the front line.

"The early Bible Students took this scripture to mean that if a Christian was drafted in wartime, he would be obligated to put on a uniform, shoulder a gun, and go to the front, to the trenches. It was felt that since a Christian could not kill a fellow human, he would be compelled to fire his gun into the air if worst came to worst." Watchtower 1995 May 15 pp.21-22

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

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friends

this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

days of future passed

MeanMr.Mustard - Well I have one roll left and it's only me so that will last a while. Hahaha toilet paper. There are other things you can do. People have survived without it. An old favorite of the outhouse was a corncob. ouch.

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How Will the Quarantined Dubbies React When the "All Clear" Sounds?

by Room 215 in

seriously, i can't help wondering whether their hiatus from meetings and service will alter their post-covid-19 lifestyle once they experience the freedom of life in the absence of the hamster wheel?.

days of future passed

Many JW's have not been subjected to a life or death situation like this. They see staged Armageddon picts but that is nothing like a virus that can seriously take you down and is spreading. Might change their life perspective a little.

But on the other hand, it might make them cling tighter. No atheists in a fox hole as they say.

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

jw
friends

this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

days of future passed

My sister just came back from shopping. Bare shelves, no toilet paper, no potatoes or beans. They went to several stores to get stuff.

Looking online at all the toilet paper "out of stock". Costco had to limit people to 2 packages of toilet paper because carts were overflowing with it.

I'm afraid I haven't any stock of anything. Maybe two or three refried bean cans. Haven't had my kitchen fixed so I didn't have supplies. Maybe now is the time I will lose weight.

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Can you answer?

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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specifically for women but all can join in.

1. whether you believe in the bible or not are you free to read /allowed to read the bible,the word of god?.

2. whether you want to or not, are you free to read/ allowed to read the shepherds book, the word of men?.

days of future passed

Of course the Shepards Book is more precious. Just like their WT and Awake is more precious than the bible. Now days, it's the mighty tablet and large screens that are more important.

In Wt's history that I experienced, there was only one Watchtower (that was studied in 3 parts if I remember correctly) that portrayed women in a very positive light. It was about the women that accompanied Jesus.

That's the only one that comes to mind. The rest are about women being a fragile vase, weaker vessel, must always know their place, always be below men, do everything without complaining and best of all, if your husband is abusive - be a better wife.

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The famous liars

by days of future passed in

i was talking with my sister and the subject of the wt using rahab as an exemplary example of theocratic warfare which is of course, lying.

when the wt uses her, they fail to highlight the fact that she was a temple prostitute and an unbeliever when she "saved" the spies.. i said you know, the wt doesn't use the most famous liar as an example.

that would be peter of course.

days of future passed

I was talking with my sister and the subject of the WT using Rahab as an exemplary example of Theocratic warfare which is of course, lying. When the WT uses her, they fail to highlight the fact that she was a temple prostitute and an unbeliever when she "saved" the spies.

I said you know, the WT doesn't use the most famous liar as an example. That would be Peter of course. He lied to save his own skin. She said that she thought that the WT did use him recently as a positive lying example. I don't know about that. I guess they could spin it as "Peter used TW and he was blessed because by staying out of jail and staying alive, he could then be used by J later on"

The thing is, Jesus would then be a bigger liar because he told Peter he would deny him three times before the cock crowed. And that wasn't spoken of as a positive thing. Peter didn't think of it as a positive either.

But it's all good if the WT says it.